Preexistence of Christ
Preexistence of Christ

Preexistence of Christ

The Prophetic Presentence of Christ

It is clear from the Scripture that the sense in which Christ preexisted is in a prophetic sense. Those who conspired against God’s holy servant Jesus, whom he anointed, did whatever his hand and his plan had predestined to take place. (Acts 4:27-28) All the Law and the Prophets bear witness to the righteousness of God that has now been manifested apart from the law – the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. (Rom 3:21-22). Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about this grace searched and inquired carefully, as the spirit of Christ in them predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories. (1 Pet 1:10-11) Abraham rejoiced that he would see the day of Christ – he saw it and was glad. (John 8:56). The revelation of Christ exists before Abraham. (John 8:58). Here are principal Scriptural witnesses.

Luke 10:24 (ESV)

“For I tell you that many prophets and kings desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.” 

Acts 2:23 (ESV)

“This Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.”

Acts 2:30-32 (ESV)

 Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.  Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne, he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses.

Acts 3:18-26 (ESV)

But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ would suffer, he thus fulfilled. Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long agoMoses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’ And all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and those who came after him, also proclaimed these days. You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed.’  God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.”

Acts 4:27-28 (ESV)

“for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.

Acts 10:42-43 (ESV)

“And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead. To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” 

Acts 26:22-23 (ESV)

”I have had the help that comes from God, and so I stand here testifying both to small and great, saying nothing but what the prophets and Moses said would come to pass: that the Christ must suffer and that, by being the first to rise from the dead, he would proclaim light both to our people and to the Gentiles.”

Romans 3:21-22 (ESV)

But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—  the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.

1 Peter 1:10-11 (ESV)

“Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories.”

John 8:54-58 (ESV)

“Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’ But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad. So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

John 8:54-58 (Peshitta, Lamsa)

“Jesus said to them, If I honor myself, my honor is nothing; but it is my Father who honors me, the one of whom you say, He is our God. Yet you have not known him, but I know him; and If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like youselves; but I do know him and I obey his word. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it and was glad. The Jews said to him, You are not yet fifty years old, and yet you have seen Abraham? Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I was.

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Jesus is the center of God’s plan and purpose

Jesus is the center of God’s plan and purpose established from ancient time as Moses said, “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you. (Deut 18:15-19) Jesus is the Christ foretold by the mouth of all the prophets (Acts 3:18-26). In the fullness of time, Good sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law. (Gal 4:4-5). God foreknew us and also predestined us to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn amount many brothers (Rom 8:28-29). The mystery of God’s will is the purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him. (Eph 1:9-10) In him we have obtain an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will. (Eph 1:11) The plan of the mystery hidden for ages in Good, who created all things, has been brought to light. (Eph 3:9-10) This is according to the eternal purpose that he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Eph 3:11) God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thess 5:9) He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for our sake. (1 Pet 1:20) To those who are called, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God (1 Cor 1:24) The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Rev 19:10) The name by which he is called is the Word of God. (Rev 19:13) It was not to angels that God subject the world to come, of which we are speaking (Heb 2:5)

Deuteronomy 18:15, 18-19 (ESV) 

The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to him you shall listen I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him

Micah 5:2 (ESV)

But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days.

Acts 3:18-26 (ESV)

But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ would suffer, he thus fulfilled. Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long agoMoses said, ‘The Lord God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brothers. You shall listen to him in whatever he tells you. And it shall be that every soul who does not listen to that prophet shall be destroyed from the people.’ And all the prophets who have spoken, from Samuel and those who came after him, also proclaimed these days. You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed.’  God, having raised up his servant, sent him to you first, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness.”

Galatians 4:4-5 (ESV)

“But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.”

Romans 8:28-29  (ESV)

“And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

Ephesians 1:3-5 (ESV)

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will.”

Ephesians 1:9-11 (ESV)

“making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.”

Ephesians 3:9-11(ESV)

“to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God, who created all things, so that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. This was according to the eternal purpose that he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

1 Thessalonians 5:9-10 (ESV)

“For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him.”

1 Corinthians 1:24 (ESV)

but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.”

1 Peter 1:20 (ESV)

He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you.

Revelation 19:10, 13 (ESV)

“Worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy… He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.”

Hebrews 2:5-6 (ESV)

For it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking. It has been testified somewhere, “What is man, that you are mindful of him, or the son of man, that you care for him? 

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Like Jesus, the Father intended us for glory before the world existed

The sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. (Rom 8:18) Creation was subject to futility in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. (Rom 8:20-21) We who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoptions as sons. (Rom 8:23) For those who love God, all things work together for god for those who are called according to his purpose. (Rom 8:28) Those he foreknew and also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. (Rom 8:29) Vessels of mercy, God prepared beforehand for glory – even use whom he has called that we might be called ‘sons of the living God’. (Rom 9:22-26) This is the secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. (1 Cor 2:6-7) No eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor heart imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him.” (1 Cor 2:9) The home we have is eternal in the heavens made not with hands but a building from God. (2 Cor 5:1) He who has prepared for us a heavenly dwelling and immorality is God (2 Cor 5:2-5)

The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, has blessed us in Christ and chose us in him before the foundation of the world. (Eph 1:3-4). In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will. (Eph 3:5) According to his grace the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, has been made known to us. (Eph 1:7-10) In him we obtain an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will. (Eph 1:11). We are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. (Eph 2:10) God who saved us called us to a holy calling because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began. (2 Tim 1:8-9)

To permission sit at the right or left hand of Christ is not his to grant, but for whom it has been prepared by the Father. (Mat 20:23) When the Son of Man comes in his glory, the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world’. (Mat 25:31-34) Jesus said to the Father, “I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.” (John 17:4-5)  Then Jesus continued to pray on behalf on those who will believe in him saying “The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become  perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.” (John 17:20-23) and Jesus prayed, “Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world.” (John 17:24). As Christ was blessed and loved before the foundation of the world, so also were we. (Eph 1:3-4).

Romans 8:18-23 (ESV)

For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.


Romans 8:28-29 (ESV)

“And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

Romans 9:22-26 (ESV)

What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? As indeed he says in Hosea, “Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’ and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’ And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’

1 Corinthians 2:6-9 (ESV)

Yet among the mature we do impart wisdom, although it is not a wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But, as it is written,
“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him

2 Corinthians 5:1-5 (ESV)

For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked. For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

Ephesians 1:3-11 (ESV)

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will.

Ephesians 2:10 (ESV)

“For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.”

2 Timothy 1:8-10 (ESV)

“God who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began, and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus.”

Matthew 20:23 (ESV)

He said to them, “You will drink my cup, but to sit at my right hand and at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”

Matthew 25:31-34 (ESV)

“When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

John 17:1-5 (ESV)

When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

John 17:20-26 (ESV)

“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world. O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.”

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Jesus was made Lord and Christ (he was not that to begin with)

Isaiah 9:6-7 (ESV)

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this.

Key notes on Isaiah 9:6-7

  • To us child is born, and a son is given:  This son is to be given and born in the future.
  • The government is not yet upon his shoulder: it shall be.
  • These titles / names are something he shall be called (he was not these things previously)
  • “Mighty God” refers to the power and supreme authority that he will have in this kingdom that is established and upheld by him. Representatives of God can be called “God” based on the concept of agency. The messiah is not literally God but has divine authority as God’s chosen agent to rule the world in righteousness.
  • “Everlasting Father” relates to him establishing this kingdom (being the founding father) and being the ruler (patriarch) of the kingdom that he will uphold. 
  • This refers to the human messiah that will (in the future) sit on the throne of David.
  • The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish the giving to us a son and putting the government upon his shoulder. There is a clear distinction here from the son who is to born and given the throne and the LORD of hosts who will accomplish it.

Isaiah 42:1 (ESV)

Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights; I have put my Spirit upon him; he will bring forth justice to the nations.

Luke 1:30-33 (ESV)

And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”

Luke 9:35 (ESV)

And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, my Chosen One; listen to him!

Acts 2:36 (ESV)

Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

Acts 3:13 (ESV)

The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.

Acts 5:30-31 (ESV)

The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree. God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 10:42-43 (ESV)

“And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead. To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” 

Acts 17:30-31 (ESV)

The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”

Philippians 2:8-11 (ESV)

And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1 Timothy 2:5-6 (ESV)

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.

Hebrews 5:1-5 (ESV)

For every high priest chosen from among men is appointed to act on behalf of men in relation to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. He can deal gently with the ignorant and wayward, since he himself is beset with weakness. 3 Because of this he is obligated to offer sacrifice for his own sins just as he does for those of the people. And no one takes this honor for himself, but only when called by God, just as Aaron was. So also Christ did not exalt himself to be made a high priest, but was appointed by him who said to him, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”

Hebrews 9:24 (ESV)

For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.

John 3:35 (ESV)

The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand.

John 17:2 (ESV)

The Father has given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom he has given him.

John 17:3 (ESV)

And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

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Jesus is the First and the Last of God’s plan for salvation

Jesus is the first of the resurrection and all those where are saved from the beginning to the end are saved through Christ. Jesus is the first and the last of the new creation (not the original creation).  Firstborn of all creation pertains to the new creation (firstborn from the dead)

Acts 4:11-12 (ESV)

This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Romans 5:18-19 (ESV)

Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.

Romans 8:29 (ESV)

Those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 (ESV)

“there is no God but one.” For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”— yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

1 Corinthians 15:20-22 (ESV)

Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

2 Corinthians 5:17-18 (ESV)

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation.

Ephesians 1:9-10 (ESV)

The mystery of his will, according to his purpose – he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Ephesians 3:7-11 (ESV)

Of this gospel I was made a minister according to the gift of God’s grace, which was given me by the working of his power. To me, though I am the very least of all the saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, and to bring to light for everyone what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God, who created all things, so that through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. This was according to the eternal purpose that he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord,

Colossians 1:12-20 (ESV)

giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in light.  He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Sonin whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

Hebrews 1:1-5 (ESV)

Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on highhaving become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”? And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Hebrews 2:5-13 (ESV)

For it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking.  It has been testified somewhere, “What is man, that you are mindful of him,
or the son of man, that you care for him? You made him for a little while lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor, putting everything in subjection under his feet.”
Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him.  But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering. For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, “I will tell of your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise.” And again, “I will put my trust in him.” And again, “Behold, I and the children God has given me.”

Revelation 1:12-18 (ESV)

Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength. When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

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What about Colossians 1:16?

The key to understanding Colossians 1 is that this is prophetic (speaking toward the future).  Just because an English translation is clearly in either the past, present, or future tense, it does not necessarily mean that this is what is implied by the original. One often encounters the use of the “prophetic perfect”, where a prophecy of something that has not yet come to pass is in the perfect tense, and so is often translated with the English past tense, e.g. …with His stripes, we were healed (Isaiah 53:5), when from the perspective of the prophet, he was speaking of something in the future.

Colossians 1:16 says that “by him all things were created” and that “all things were created through him and for him.” However, in the context we see that this pertains to the new creation as the passage speaks about inheritance, the coming kingdom, and redemption. It speaks to Jesus being the firstborn of all creation in the sense that “he is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead. And it speaks to God’s motive: “that in everything he might be preeminent” and so God through him could “reconcile to himself all things”. Colossians 1 is forward looking and is speaking prophetically as it says, “he is before all things” (not that he was). Accordingly, Colossians 1 is not a message about the original creation, but rather about the gospel of our salvation – the inheritance into the coming kingdom of God (the new creation). Several verses in the first few chapters of Revelation confirm the understanding that firstborn of all creation = firstborn from the dead. Jesus is the first and the last of the new creation through whom all who are saved will have life and be part of the new heavens and the new earth. 

Colossians 1:12-20 (ESV)

giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in light.  He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Sonin whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.  He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

Revelation 1:5 (ESV)

and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.

Revelation 1:17-18 (ESV)

When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

Revelation 2:8, 10 (ESV)

“And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write: ‘The words of the first and the last, who died and came to life…  Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life

Revelation 3:7, 12 (ESV)

“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: ‘The words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key of David, who opens and no one will shut, who shuts and no one opens… The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.

Revelation 3:14, 21 (ESV) 

“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation… The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

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What about Philippians 2:6-7?

Most English translations of Philippians 2:6-7 exhibit a bias to imply incarnation. A closer review of the Greeks shows that the form of the verb hyparcho (meaning to come into being) is in the present active (not aorist which would indicates the past tense). That is, Jesus is in the expression (morphe) of God – Not that he was the morphe of God before he was found in the composition (schema) of man.

Philippians 2:6-8 (KJV)

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Philippians 2:5-11 (Alternative )

5 Have this mind in yourselves that was also in Christ Jesus,  who the expression of God – he is. Not by robbery did he decree this – to be equated with God, rather he humbled himself – he accepted the expression of a servant, being born in the similitude of men and being found in composition as a man. he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death – even death on a cross. And therefore God has highly exalted him and gave him the name that is above every name, in order that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow – in heaven and on earth and under the earth – and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Various scriptural corruptions that suggest preexistence:

Numerous passages in the Net Testament have been corrupted to support to orthodox presuppositions of Jesus preexisting and being an incarnation of God. 

  • Jude 1:5 – “The Lord delivered his people out of Egypt” was changed to “Jesus delivered” in a few manuscripts to make Jesus exist in the Old Testament. The Critical text and KJV read, “Now I want to remind you, though you know everything once and for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe.” A varient representating orthodoox corruption that is used in some translation is that “Jesus” is replaced with “Lord”. Some modern translations incorporate this corruption  including ESV. 
  • Matthew 1:18 – Matthew records the “beginning” of Jesus Christ. Trinitarians who were uncomfortable with “genesis” (beginning, origin, birth) changed it to “gennesis” (“birth”).
  • Luke 9:34 – Scribes altered the phrase “the one who has been chosen” to “in whom I am well pleased.” This is a subtle change, but it takes the emphasis off the fact that Jesus was chosen by God, which some people recognized does not make sense if Jesus is God
  • 1 Corinthians 15:45 – “The first man, Adam” was changed by scribes to read, “the first, Adam” to get rid of the word “man,” since by grammatical implication Christ would then have to be a man also.
  • Ephesians 3:9 – “God who created all things” was changed to “God who created all things through Jesus Christ.”
  • 1 Timothy 3:16 –  “Who” was changed to “God.” This change was very obvious in the texts and is openly admitted by Trinitarian scholars. The change produced a very powerful Trinitarian argument, because the altered text reads, “God was manifested in the flesh,” instead of “[Jesus] who was manifested in the flesh,” which is the correct and recognized reading.
  • A larger list of textural corruptions favoring the Trinitarian position – Webpage link: 
    https://www.biblicalunitarian.com/articles/textual-corruptions-favoring-the-trinitarian-position
  • The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture, Bart Ehrman, Amazon Book Link: https://amzn.to/3chqeta
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Isn’t Jesus the Word (Logos) that was with God in the beginning?

Logos (translated Word) means something said (including the thought). It always pertains to rational content. Just about every English translation from the Greek that was before the KJV translation, interpreted the Logos (Word) in John 1:3, as an “it” rather than a “him”. In the context of the prologue of John, the Logos (Word) is aspect of God rather than a “him” that implies a preexistent person. In most modern English translations John 1:1-3 is typically translated in such a way to bias the reader to interpreting the Word as being “he”. However, it should be understood that the Word (Logos) is an abstract noun that pertains to the aspect of God’s wisdom including his logic, reasoning, intentions, plan, or purpose for humanity. It is through this Logos (Word) that all things became. The Word was also made flesh when Jesus was spoken into existence since Christ is the center of God’s plan and purpose for humanity. However, this is not to say that the Word was a preexistent person that existed before Jesus was conceived.

Understanding Logos – The true meaning of the Word in the prologue of John

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What about other passages in John?

A number of passages in John speak of Jesus being before John, coming down from heaven, being sent into the world, rising up where he was before, and coming from the Father and returning to the Father. An explanation of these “difficult passages” (from the REV Bible commentary) is provided below.

“for he was before me.” (John 1:15, 1:30)

The simple truth is that the Messiah always was superior to John. These verses are sometimes used to support the Trinity because the verse can be translated, “because he [Jesus] was before me” [John], and it is assumed that the verse is saying that Jesus existed before John the Baptist. In fact, a number of modern versions translate the last phrase something like, “because he [Jesus] existed before me.” However, there is no reason to bring the Trinity into this verse, and there are very good reasons that it does not refer to the Trinity in any way.

There are scriptures that we today know are prophecies of the Messiah that the Jews in the time of Christ did not apply to the Messiah. However, we also know that the ancient Jews had a lot of expectations about their Messiah that were based on Scripture. The Messiah the Jews were expecting was to be a descendant of Eve (Gen. 3:15), and descendant of Abraham (Gen. 22:18), from the tribe of Judah (Gen. 49:10); a descendant of David (2 Sam. 7:12, 13; Isa. 11:1), that he would be a “lord” under Yahweh (Ps. 110:1), that he would be the servant of Yahweh (Isaiah 42:1-7), he will be “one of their own” and will be able to draw near to Yahweh (Jer. 30:21), and he will come out of Bethlehem (Micah 5:2).


This expectation perfectly fit John’s teaching his disciples that Jesus was the “Lamb of God” (John 1:29; i.e., the Lamb sent from God) and John’s statement that Jesus was “the Son of God” (John 1:34). If John had told his disciples that Jesus literally existed before he did, they would not have understood what he was saying, which would have engendered a big discussion and explanation of the doctrine of the pre-existence of the Messiah. There is no such discussion or explanation for the simple fact that John was not saying Jesus literally existed before him. John was not teaching, nor did he mention, the Trinity in this context.

Many versions have the translation that Jesus “was before” John. In that translation, the Greek word translated “was” is the verb ēn (ἦν), which is in the imperfect tense, active voice of eimi, (εἰμί) the common word for “to be” (which occurs more than 2000 times in the New Testament). In this context it is vital that we understand that the force of the imperfect tense is, “he was and continues to be.” Then comes the Greek word protos, which means “first.” It can refer to being “first” in time, and thus be translated “before,” or it can mean first in rank, and be translated “chief,” “leader,” “greatest,” “best,” etc. There are many examples referring to people being protos where protos refers to highest in rank or importance (cp. Matt. 19:30, 20:27; Mark 6:21; 9:35; 10:31, 44; Luke 19:47; Acts 17:4; 25:2; 28:17; and 1 Cor. 12:28). Similarly, protos is used of things that are the best or most important. For example, the “first” and great commandment was the first in importance, and the “first” robe was the “best” robe (Luke 15:22).

Given the mindset of the disciples and the fact that John was not teaching them about the pre-existence of the Messiah, but rather was trying to point out that Jesus was the Messiah, it seems that John was making the simple statement that Jesus had always been superior to him, going back long before they started their ministries. John’s statement that Jesus “was before” him does not have to mean that Jesus is God or even be a reference to all the prophecies of the Messiah in the Old Testament going back to Genesis 3:15. Before John or Jesus was born, when Mary came to visit Elizabeth, John leapt in the womb for joy upon being close to his savior. To John, Jesus had always been superior to him.

Of course it is possible, but there is no way to prove it, that when John said Jesus was before him, he also had in his mind all the prophecies of the Messiah in the Old Testament, and that Jesus had been in the mind of God for millennia. The existence of Christ in the mind of God is so clear that it need not be disputed. Before the foundation of the world he was foreknown (1 Pet. 1:20); from the foundation of the world he was slain (Rev. 13:8); and before the foundation of the world we, the Church, were chosen in him (Eph. 1:4). The certainty about the Messiah that is expressed in the prophecies about him definitively reveal that all aspects of his life and death were clearly in the mind of God before any of them occurred. If John did have the prophecies of the Messiah in mind when he made this statement, then it would be similar to when Jesus himself said that he was “before” Abraham (see commentary on John 8:58).

It is clear in the context that the primary reason for John’s statement was to magnify Jesus Christ in comparison to himself, and “was my superior” does that. The Messiah has always been superior to the other prophets.

“but he who came down from heaven” (John 3:13, 6:38)

Something was said to have come from God or come from heaven if God was its source. For example, James 1:17 says that every good gift is “from above” and “comes down” from God. What James means is clear. God is the Author and source of the good things in our lives. God works behind the scenes to provide what we need. The verse does not mean that the good things in our lives come directly down from heaven. The phrase “he who came down from heaven” in John 3:13 is to be understood in the same way we understand James’ words—that God is the source of Jesus Christ, which He was. Christ was God’s plan, and then God directly fathered Jesus.

There are also other verses that say Jesus was “sent from God,” a phrase that shows God as the ultimate source of what is sent. John the Baptist was a man “sent from God” (John 1:6), and it was he who said that Jesus “comes from above” and “comes from heaven” (John 3:31). When God wanted to tell the people that He would bless them if they gave their tithes, He told them that He would open the windows of “heaven” and pour out a blessing (Mal. 3:10 – KJV). Of course, everyone understood the idiom being used, and no one believed that God would literally pour things out of heaven. They knew that the phrase meant that God was the origin of the blessings they received. Still another example is when Christ was speaking and said, “John’s baptism—where did it come from? Was it from heaven or from men?” (Matt. 21:25). Of course, the way that John’s baptism would have been “from heaven” was if God was the source of the revelation. John did not get the idea on his own, it came “from heaven.” The verse makes the idiom clear: things could be “from heaven,” i.e., from God, or they could be “from men.” The idiom is the same when used of Jesus. Jesus is “from God,” “from heaven” or “from above” in the sense that God is his Father and thus his origin.

The idea of coming from God or being sent by God is also clarified by Jesus’ words in John 17. He said, “As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world” (John 17:18). We understand perfectly what Christ meant when he said, “I have sent them into the world.” He meant that he commissioned us, or appointed us. The statement does not imply that we were in heaven with Christ and then incarnated into the flesh. Christ said, “As you have sent me, I have sent them.” So, in the same way that Christ sent us is how we should understand the phrase that God sent Christ.

not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God, he has seen the Father. (John 6:46)

John 6:46 shows the intimate relationship that Jesus had with God. Jesus had a level of intimacy that no one had ever had with God, before or since. Jesus revealed the intimacy he had with God in his dialogue with the people near the Sea of Galilee, a crowd that included Jewish leadership, disciples, and onlookers, to continue to tell them, albeit in somewhat veiled terms, that he was the promised Messiah. Jesus implied he was the Messiah in a number of ways. He said God set His seal upon him, meaning Jesus had God’s seal of authenticity and approval (John 6:27). He said doing God’s work meant believing in him (John 6:29). He said he was the Bread of Life and people who ate him would never hunger (John 6:35; cp. John 6:48, 51). Also, he said people who believed in “the Son” would have life in the Age to come because he would raise them from the dead (John 6:40, 44, 47, 54). This indirect way of teaching was typical of the way Jesus spoke—clearly implying the truth that he was the Messiah so people with a heart for God could hear and believe, but he did not state the fact so plainly that he forced his opponents into an out-and-out showdown. His opponents generally could not grasp what he was saying and ended up arguing about it (John 6:41-44).

Some people infer from John 6:46 that Jesus must be God, or at least that he pre-existed his birth because he said he had “seen the Father.” However, this verse has nothing to do with the Trinity or pre-existence. The key to understanding John 6:46 is knowing that the phrase “seen the Father” does not refer to seeing with one’s physical eyes but figuratively to “knowing the Father.” Jesus knew God, not because he lived and talked with God in heaven before his birth on earth, but because God revealed Himself more clearly to Jesus than He had to anyone else. Jesus made this clear in other teachings when he said, “For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does…” (John 5:20).

In both Hebrew and Greek, words that are translated “see” throughout the Bible often mean “to know or realize.” The Hebrew word ra’ah is used of both seeing with the eyes and knowing something, or perceiving it (Gen. 16:4; Exod. 32:1; Num. 20:29). Similarly, the Greek word horaō (ὁράω), translated “see” in John 1:18, 6:46; and 3 John 1:11, can mean “to see with the eyes” or “to see with the mind, to perceive, to know.” Even in English, one of the definitions for “see” is “to know or understand.” For example, when two people are discussing something, one might say to the other, “I see what you mean.”

The usage of “see” as it pertains to “knowing” is found in many places in the New Testament. For example, Jesus said to Philip, “…Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father…” (John 14:9). Here again the word “see” is used to indicate “knowing.” Anyone who knew Jesus (not just those who “saw” him) would know the Father. In fact, Jesus had made that clear two verses earlier when he said to Philip, “If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him” (John 14:7). In this verse, Jesus says that those who know him have “seen” the Father.

Another verse that uses the word “seen” in the sense of “known” is John 1:18: “No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.” The phrase “seen God” is syntactically parallel to the phrase “has made Him known,” and both phrases refer to the role that Jesus, the only Son, fulfilled. No man fully knew God, but Jesus made Him known. Throughout the Old Testament, what people knew about God was very limited. In fact, 2 Corinthians 3:13-16 refers to the fact that even today, the Jews who reject Christ have a veil over their hearts. The full knowledge, the “truth” about God, came through Jesus Christ (John 1:17). He was the one who “saw” (fully understood) God, and then he taught others—which is what John 1:18 is conveying. Before Jesus Christ came, no one really knew God as He truly is, a loving heavenly Father, but Jesus Christ “saw” (knew) God intimately because the Father revealed Himself to him in ways that no one else has ever known.

“as the living Father sent me.”  (John 6:57)

The teaching that God sent Jesus Christ occurs over forty times in the New Testament, and can have different meanings in different contexts. That God sent Jesus into the world can have a couple different nuances. For one thing, Jesus is the “last Adam” (1 Cor. 15:45), and just as God created Adam, so God created Jesus by Fathering him in Mary. Thus, God’s sending Jesus can refer to his conception and birth, and then subsequent ministry to save mankind, or it can simply refer to the much later event of God sending Jesus to fulfill his ministry to be the savior of mankind. That latter meaning, for example, is what John 17:18 (NET) means when Jesus prayed to God and said: “Just as you sent me into the world, so I sent them into the world.” Jesus commissioned his apostles and sent them out just as God had commissioned him and sent him out.

There are some who insist that because God “sent” Jesus, Jesus must be God. But that is reading far too much into the simple concept of being “sent.” The idea that something has been “sent” by God was commonly used and simply means that God is the ultimate source, or “sender,” of what was sent. There is no reason to believe that Jesus’ being sent by God makes him God—nothing else that is “sent” by God is God. The phrase just means what it says, that God sent Jesus. The Bible has dozens of examples of things being sent by God, all meaning that God was the source. God sent bad weather on Egypt (Exod. 9:23), fiery serpents upon the Israelites (Num. 21:6), Moses (Deut. 34:11), prophets (Judges 6:8), and many more people and things. John the Baptist was a man “sent from God” (John 1:6). The words of John the Baptist about being sent are very clear and, if taken the same way some Trinitarians take Jesus being “sent” by God, would make John God too. John said, “I am not the Messiah, but I’ve been sent ahead of Him” (John 3:28 HCSB). We all know that what John meant by “I’ve been sent ahead of him” simply means that God commissioned John at a time that preceded the Messiah. But if someone already believed John to somehow be a fourth member of the Godhead, then what John said could be used as evidence supporting that belief. The point is that the only reason someone would say that Jesus’ being “sent” by God meant that he was God or was pre-existent in heaven would be if he already held that belief. The words themselves do not say or mean that.

Jesus made it clear that the one who “sends” is greater than the one “sent.” In John 13:16 he said, “A servant is not greater than his lord, neither is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him.” So if the Father sent Jesus, then the Father is greater than Jesus. Then he made that very clear when he said in the very next chapter, “My Father is greater than I” (John 14:28).

“coming up to where he was before.” (John 6:62)

This verse is referring to the resurrection of Christ. This fact is clear from studying the context. Because the translators have chosen to translate anabainō (ἀναβαίνω) as “ascend,” people believe it refers to Christ’s ascension from earth as recorded in Acts 1:9, but Acts 1:9 does not use this word. Anabainō simply means “to go up.” It is used of “going up” to a higher elevation as in climbing a mountain (Matt. 5:1, 14:23, et al.), of Jesus “coming up” from under the water at his baptism (Matt. 3:16; Mark 1:10), of plants that “grow up” out of the ground (Matt. 13:7; Mark 4:7, 8, 32), or of even just “going up,” i.e., “climbing,” a tree (Luke 19:4). Christ was simply asking if they would be offended if they saw him “come up” out of the ground, i.e., be resurrected, and be where he was before, i.e., alive and on the earth.

The context confirms that Jesus was speaking about being the bread from heaven and giving life via his resurrection. Verses such as John 6:39-40 and 6:44 confirm this: Jesus repeatedly said, “…I will raise him [each believer] up at the last day.” Christ was amazed that even some of his disciples were offended at his teaching. He had been speaking of the resurrection, and they were offended, so he asked them if they would be offended if they saw him resurrected, which has been unfortunately translated as “ascend” in John 6:62. [Norton, op. cit., A Statement of Reasons for Not Believing the Doctrines of Trinitarians, pp. 248-252; Snedeker, op. cit., Our Heavenly Father Has No Equals, p. 215.]

“this is not what Abraham did” (John 8:40)

Some assert that John 8:40 implies that Jesus preexisted because they take Jesus as saying Abraham did not kill him. However, the context is that Jesus referred to himself as “a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God.” and previously in verse 39 he said, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did.” It is clear from the context that Jesus is making the point that their actions are inconsistent with those of Abraham and that Abraham did not try to kill men who told the truth as they heard from God. That is Abraham did not try to kill the prophets as they were conspiring to do. Elsewhere, in Luke and Matthew Jesus makes several references to killing of the prophets by hypocritical religious leaders (Luke 6:22-23, Luke 11:47-54, Luke 13:33-34). 

“before Abraham was, I am” (John 8:58)

Some assert that because Jesus was “before” Abraham, Jesus must have been God. But Jesus did not literally exist before his conception in Mary, but he “existed” in the plan of God, and was foretold in prophecy. Prophecies of the coming redeemer start as early as Genesis 3:15, which was before Abraham. Jesus was “the one,” the Savior, long before Abraham. The Church did not have to literally exist as people for God to choose us before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4), we existed in the mind of God. Similarly, Jesus did not exist as an actual physical person during the time of Abraham, but he “existed” in the mind of God as God’s plan for the redemption of man.

It is also important to notice that many people misread John 8:58 and think it says Jesus saw Abraham. We must read the Bible carefully because it says no such thing. It does not say Jesus saw Abraham, it says Abraham saw the Day of Christ. A careful reading of the context of the verse shows that Jesus was speaking of “existing” in God’s foreknowledge. John 8:56 says, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it, and was glad.” This verse says that Abraham “saw” the day of Christ (the day of Christ is usually considered by theologians to be the day when Christ conquers the earth and sets up his kingdom—and it is still future). That would fit with what the book of Hebrews says about Abraham: “For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God” (Heb. 11:10). The Bible says Abraham “saw” a city that is still future. In what sense could Abraham have seen something that was future? Abraham “saw” the day of Christ because God told him it was coming, and Abraham “saw” it by faith. Although Abraham saw the day of Christ by faith, that day existed in the mind of God long before Abraham. Thus, in the context of God’s plan existing from the beginning, Christ certainly was “before” Abraham. Christ was the plan of God for man’s redemption long before Abraham lived.

“came from…going to the Father” (John 16:28)

This is very easy to understand if we take the Scripture at face value, that Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of the Father. Jesus “came” from the Father when He impregnated Mary, just like all of us came from our fathers when our mothers were impregnated by them. Jesus knew from Scripture that he would go to the Father at some point after his resurrection, and so he states that to the apostles here at the Last Supper, just before his arrest and crucifixion. This verse does not refer to the doctrine of the “incarnation.”

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What about Genesis 1:26? – ‘Let us make man in our image’

Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 5:1-2 refer to God in the singular. However, when God is speaking in Genesis 1:26, the plural is used. Those who believe that Christ preexisted believe that God is speaking to a pre-incarnate Jesus. 

Genesis 1:26-27 (ESV)

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Genesis 5:1-2 (ESV)

“This is the book of the generations of Adam. When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. Male and female he created them, and he blessed them and named them Man when they were created.”

Notice verse Gen 1:27 reads “his” and “he” twice (not their and they) and so does Gen 5:1-2. Although He is speaking to a plurality, he alone is the Creator (“he created them”).  Below are several possible explanations for “Let us make man in our image”.

  1. God is speaking to the heavenly host (sons of God) who were existent and witnessed the creation. (Job 38:1-7)
  2. Plural of Majesty – God is so immense within himself that he can refer to himself in the plural although He is singular in person. (Ps 150:1-2, Deut 33:26-27) See Royal we: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we

  3. God is speaking to himself (his mind). God established the world by his Wisdom. Wisdom was with God in the beginning and was established before creation (Ps 33:6, Pr 3:19-20, Pr 8:22-31, Jer 10:12, Jer 51:15, John 1:1-3)
  4. God is speaking to his hands – God accomplishes things by the works of his hands (Ex 15:4-7, Deut 33:11, Ps 28:5, Ps 92:4, Ps 138:7)
  5. God is speaking to his mighty heavens – the heavens are under his control and obey his will. By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.  (Deut 32:43, Deut 33:26, Ps 19:1, Ps 33:6, Ps 50:4, Ps 66:33, Ps 136:4-8, Ps 150:1, Job 26:13)
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A key verse not to be taken in a literal sense

We know that God intended that the Lamb would be slain according to his plan for the Gospel before the world existed. However, the Lamb was actually slain from the foundation of the world. The plan existed from the beginning it wasn’t actually fulfilled until the fulness of time.

Revelation 13:8 (KJV)

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

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Biblical Map of Meaning

The Logos is an aspect of God pertaining to God’s intentions (Wisdom). The Holy Spirit is also an aspect of God pertaining to his Controlling Influence. By God’s Intentions (Logos) and through God’s controlling influence (Holy Spirit), all things come into existence. This is how the original creation (first Adam) was made and this is how Jesus Christ (the second Adam) was made. We are made a new creation through Christ Jesus according to God’s eternal wisdom. 

The Word being made flesh = God speaking Jesus into existence according to his Logos

John 1:14 (ESV)

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit (breath of God)

Luke 1:35 (ESV)

And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.

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What is the harm in believing that Christ is an incarnation?

  1. It is inconsistent with the Scripture
  2. It distorts the message of the Gospel and the true meaning of various passages
  3. It undermines the humanity of Christ – To be a true human being he must have been brought into existence as a human – not having preexisted as God or an angel of God. Believing in the true humanity of Christ is essential to the Gospel message. 1 John 4:2 declares that we must believe Jesus Christ has come on the flesh (was a human being). 

1 John 4:2 (ESV)

By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

Acts 3:13 (ESV)

The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him

Acts 17:30-31 (ESV)

The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”

Romans 5:19 (ESV)

For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.

1 Corinthians 15:21 (ESV)

For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead.

Philippians 2:8-9 (ESV)

And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,

1 Timothy 2:5-6 (ESV)

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.

Hebrews 4:15 (ESV)

we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

Hebrews 5:1-5 (ESV)

For every high priest chosen from among men is appointed to act on behalf of men in relation to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. He can deal gently with the ignorant and wayward, since he himself is beset with weakness. Because of this he is obligated to offer sacrifice for his own sins just as he does for those of the people. And no one takes this honor for himself, but only when called by God, just as Aaron was. So also Christ did not exalt himself to be made a high priest, but was appointed by him who said to him, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”

Hebrews 5:8-10 (ESV)

Although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him, being designated by God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

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The Nature of Preexistence in the New Testament

Anthony Buzzard

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Taking Philippians 2:6-11 Out of the Vacuum

Dustin Smith

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Virginal Conception or Begetting? A look at the Christology of Matthew 1:18-20

Dustin Smith

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